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Linux-Activists Digest #735, Volume #3            Tue, 8 Dec 92 01:45:20 EST

Contents:
  Re: 0.98.6 and SCSI, seagate (Mark W. Moorcroft)
  killing ftp kills name server lookup (Matthew A. Lewis)
  Re: New Users plea for guidance (Matt Welsh)
  Re: killing ftp kills name server lookup (Matt Welsh)
  DMA on PC motherboards (Zdenek Radouch)
  Re: Macintosh format disks (Conrad C. Nobili)
  Telnet and ftp clients: where to get them? (James Wiegand)
  Re: Macintosh format disks (Dan Schwarz)
  [Q] How to set a timezone? (Jan-Olaf Droese)
  Lenux for the Mac (Keenan Brock)
  Welcome to comp.os.linux.announce! (Matt Welsh)
  Problem with efsprogs 10.1 (Mark B. Alston)
  Bad sectors (James Carpenter)
  How to post to comp.os.linux.announce (Matt Welsh)
  Re: Wangtek Tape 5150ES (Scott Taylor)

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From: [e-mail] (Mark W. Moorcroft)
Subject: Re: 0.98.6 and SCSI, seagate
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1992 02:09:40 GMT

========The subject: 0.98.6 and SCSI, seagate
Pearls of wisdom by: [e-mail] (Clarence Wilkerson)


>Last week I reportedf problems. Last night I started over with fresh sources


Where did you obtain the sources??


>0.98.6.scsipatch2 file patched in also.


I have scsipatch1, is patch2 on tsx-11 ??


>  When I tried in config.h to edit out the other scsi drivers ( which had
>worked with 98.4) the make clean and make depend scripts failed in
>linux/kernel/blk_drv/scsi sections.


I think there is another file that needs changing in /blk_drv/scsi
(hosts.c I think?) for this to work. It worked for me. (almost)


>  I have not tried the scsi tape or cdrom.


tape has not worked reliably since 98pl5 for me ??  (1542b)


        I have had the following results with 98pl6. 98pl6 from
tsx-11.mit.edu (full source) will "make dep" and "make all" only if I

msdos/fat.c is corrupted on tsx-11, it will randomly lock my machine
or yield an error message if I try to look at it with "joe" or "more"
and make dep will bail out for obvious reasons if I leave the msdos
file system in. I have retrieved the full source twice to confirm and
had the same result both times, although I have not seen it mentioned
in c.o.l.  If I use scsipatch1, "make dep" will bail with an error
message regarding an inability to make the file ./makefilter.  If I
remove any reference to makefilter the make is succesful but I still
have a problem with the fpu-emu stuff that I tried to remove so I
still don't know if the new scsi patches will restore tape capability?
Xfree has not worked since 98pl5 (caught signal 11) and as far as I
can tell from other peoples comments it will need to be recompiled. Is
the xfree source available on tsx-11 and am correct in my assumption ?



--I hope these comments warrant the bandwidth and I appreciate any
  input ?? Once I get xfree, x11emacs, doc, and seyon working I intend
  to abandon msDOZE :-)  --thanx Linus


386/16 w/4 meg
1542b host with firmware 3.1 (I think)
2 80 meg drives & a 60 meg tape
vanilla VGA

--

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 Mark W. Moorcroft -- [e-mail] -- C.I.S. 70741,325
=============================================================
  "I speak for myself and those who agree with me !"   ;-)

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From: [e-mail] (Matthew A. Lewis)
Subject: killing ftp kills name server lookup
Date: 8 Dec 1992 02:54:19 GMT
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Matthew A. Lewis)



This is another bug report. If you're having this same
problem, please email me.

If you hit Control-C at the login prompt during a
telnet session, then any subsuquent networking commands
will not work because something has happened to named
or something like that. Must I reboot, or can I restart
something. Running named doesn;'t help.

BTW, is the mail server down??? All my posts to the
NET channel get returned.

Later

--
maThiEu a. LeWis                     THE NUCLEAR CLUB
cyber-mercenary   USA,Russia,Ukraine,Belarus,Kazakhstan,England,France,China
Thieves Like Us   Secret Members:S.Africa,India,Israel,Pakistan
[e-mail] Wannabees:Iraq,Iran,N.Korea,Libya,Brazil,Argentina,Taiwan,ME

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From: [e-mail] (Matt Welsh)
Subject: Re: New Users plea for guidance
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1992 02:58:19 GMT

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joshua M Yelon) writes:
>The answers to these questions can be found in these places:
>
>    tsx-11.mit.edu:/pub/linux/docs/FAQ
>    tsx-11.mit.edu:/pub/linux/docs/*
>
>You may also be interested in something called the "Soft Landing System"
>(SLS for short).  Basically, it's a semicomplete collection of packages
>for linux.  See tsx-11.mit.edu:/pub/linux/SLS.
>

That does FidoNet users a lot of good. The original person asking for
help was on FidoNet, and unless I'm mistaken doesn't have that kind of
FTP access.

You should be able to get the Linux Docs from a number of BBS's. If you
want me to mail you the FAQ or any docs I'll be more than happy to. :)

Cheers,
mdw

--
Matt Welsh     [e-mail]     Cornell Theory Center
  "We're going away now. I fed the cat."

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From: [e-mail] (Matt Welsh)
Subject: Re: killing ftp kills name server lookup
Date: 8 Dec 92 02:59:46 GMT

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Matthew A. Lewis) writes:
>BTW, is the mail server down??? All my posts to the
>NET channel get returned.

The Linux-Activists list is dead at the moment. It's reportedly being
worked on. I'm also missing the much-needed buzz of email from Linux hackers.

mdw

--
Matt Welsh     [e-mail]     Cornell Theory Center
  "We're going away now. I fed the cat."

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From: [e-mail] (Zdenek Radouch)
Crossposted-To: comp.periphs,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: DMA on PC motherboards
Date: 7 Dec 92 21:03:43 EST

I need a new motherboard (probably 386DX-40) and I have heard rumors
that some motherboards are having timing problems when supporting DMA
transfers mastered by some controllers (for example transfers done by
the Adaptec 1542).

I am looking for the following info:

1. Are there known problems with a particular MFG/board?
2. Is there any way to test this using Adaptec 1542 under DOS?

If you have any experience with a particular mother/controller combo
doing DMA I'd like to hear from you.

Please mail to: [e-mail]

Thanks a lot,
-Z

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From: [e-mail] (Conrad C. Nobili)
Subject: Re: Macintosh format disks
Date: 8 Dec 92 03:32:01 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(T.J.R. Cutts) wrote:

> I would love to be able to shove the mac disk into my PC and type
>
> mount [blah blah] -t applemac
>
> and copy them straight onto the Linux machine.  Are there any plans afoot to
> allow Linux to read Mac format disks?

Yes, that would be nice, as file and folder names are much less restrictive
than with DOS.  Some special characters would have to be handled.  And then
there is the real work of understanding the file system.

I don't know really how valuable this would be though.  There are several
other options for dealing with this.  (I have a Mac with an ethernet card
at work, and this is how I have had to acquire all my Linux goods....)

AccessPC from Insignia Solutions is a pretty slick way of dealing with DOS
media on a Mac.  DOS file systems mount right up on the desktop.  Perfect
way to make disks for software that is already in a
lowest-common-denominator, already-partitioned-into-floppy-sized-chunks
format, such as the SLS stuff.  Actually I would say that AccessPC is one
of the few, and definitely one of the first, pieces of commercial software
that one ought to get for a Mac.

As soon as I get an expansion box and SCSI card for my Linux notebook I
intend to verify that AccessPC mounts DOS-formatted SyQuest cartridges on
the Mac desktop.  I also have other SCSI disks and software that should let
me partition portable drives for multipurpose uses.  I expect it to work.

Another great solution involves suntar ("Speranza's un-tar").  You can get
this from sumex.stanford.edu or other good Mac archives.  This is very good
if you want to move large packages and you don't have a network connection
or SCSI interface on your Linux machine yet.  Handles multi-volume archives
and other goodies just fine.

Ideally, we would be able to mount tar volumes on Macs and Linux, I
suppose.  Perhaps even compressed ones.  At least read-only.  That would be
slick.  And of course it would also be nice to be able to mount Mac volumes
in Linux and Linux Minix and ext-fs file systems on Macs.  I guess I'm
dreaming though....

Conrad C. Nobili  N1LPM  [e-mail]  Harvard University OIT

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From: [e-mail] (James Wiegand)
Subject: Telnet and ftp clients: where to get them?
Date: 8 Dec 92 02:08:48 GMT

Hi all:

        I just managed to get the loopback inet stuff working pretty
painlessly- thanks to Phil Copeland's very readable FAQ.  However,
though I was able to get all the daemons, I could not find the
ftp and telnet clients.  Where can I get them?  I did grab the BSD
ftp and telnet sources, but I don't want to reinvent the wheel.

        Could some kind net.soul point me in the right direction?
Thanks in advance.

        Kudos to Ross Biro et al. Nice job!

ps. lest you think me some nut who wants to telnet to his own machine,
Santa has a couple of WD8003E cards waiting under the Christmas tree.
(*drool*) I just can't wait!

jim
just me and not the whole ee department.

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From: [e-mail] (Dan Schwarz)
Subject: Re: Macintosh format disks
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1992 02:27:43 GMT

>>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (T.J.R. Cutts) writes:
>>>I would love to be able to shove the mac disk into my PC and type
>>>
>>>mount [blah blah] -t applemac
>>>
>>>and copy them straight onto the Linux machine.  Are there any plans afoot to
>>>allow Linux to read Mac format disks?
>>
>>  I would be very surprised if Linux could be made to read Mac 400k or
>>800k floppies, as the low-level layout of the disks is different, and
>>I don't think PC hardware could read it.  The 1440k floppies would be
>>the only possibility.

This is correct as far as I know; the Mac 400k and 800k disks are written
using GCR which probably requires different hardware (IBMs use MFM format.)
Luckily, Apple wised up and made their 1440k drives use MFM which means the
hardware is essentially compatible. All that you need is the proper driver
software.

Writing a Mac HFS interpreter for LINUX would take some effort. I know that
the NeXT machine has the capability.

Personally, I'd rather see a Macintosh port of Linux :-) Anyone want to do it?

-Dan





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From: [e-mail] (Jan-Olaf Droese)
Subject: [Q] How to set a timezone?
Date: Mon, 07 Dec 92 17:44:48 +0100

I just compiled elm2.4PL2 without many problems. However, I can't get
elm to use the right timezone.
I thought setting TZ=MET-1MST in /etc/profile and exporting it should set
my local timezone.
I did some tests like:

#include <time.h>
#include <stdio.h>
extern char *tzname;
main(){printf("%s", tzname[0]);}

This should print the tree-letter timezone-name --- right?
Nevertheless, it doesn't! tzname[0] is empty, localtime and gmtime return
the same time :-(

Do I miss something serious, or should this really be a bug somewhere in
the C-library Routines?
(I'm using the gcc2.2.2 as it was distributed with SLS 0.98.1, my kernel is
0.98.1)

Thanx,

    JanO
--
Jan-Olaf Droese   | email: [e-mail] (home)
Gluckstr. 6       |        [e-mail] (work)
6000 Frankfurt 1  | phone: ++49-69-552167





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From: [e-mail] (Keenan Brock)
Subject: Lenux for the Mac
Date: 8 Dec 92 01:42:51 GMT

Anyone know what the plans of Linux are for expanding.

I am very impressed with Linux and was wondering how hard it would to port to
the Macintosh... there is nothing comparable for the mac at this time.

Do I have to port it myself...  Are there any hints on things that should be
remembered.  I don't think I could port more than the kernel to my machine.

Keenan Brock
Someone who wants unix but doesn't have enough money to buy it
[e-mail]
--

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.announce
From: [e-mail] (Matt Welsh)
Subject: Welcome to comp.os.linux.announce!
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1992 04:28:32 GMT

WELCOME TO COMP.OS.LINUX.ANNOUNCE!

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Comp.os.linux.announce (which has a nifty acronym: "c.o.l.a") is a
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This group is a moderated companion to comp.os.linux, which is the group
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This group has been created to provide a seperate group in which to crosspost
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The moderators for this group are myself (Matt Welsh, [e-mail]) and
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If you have any problems or questions about c.o.l.a, please send mail to the
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Or simply mail us directly.

A seperate posting details the guidelines for submitting to this group.
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Plans are in the works for having this group archived at one or more of
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Matt Welsh
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Submissions to: [e-mail]

--
Matt Welsh     [e-mail]     Cornell Theory Center
  "We're going away now. I fed the cat."

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From: [e-mail] (Mark B. Alston)
Subject: Problem with efsprogs 10.1
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1992 05:29:31 GMT

I remember a post about this at one time but had assumed that the
files on tsx-11 had been changed and can find no patches.

When I execute `efsck -a /dev/hda2` I get the following output:

# efsck -a /dev/hda2
efsck version alpha 10.1 - 17.11.92
Inode 294 has bad mode

Inode 7086 has bad mode

============================
FILE SYSTEM HAS BEEN CHANGED
============================
#

But when I run efsck again I get:

# efsck  /dev/hda2
efsck version alpha 10.1 - 17.11.92
Inode 294 has bad mode

bad inode in directory /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 at offset 32

Inode 7086 has bad mode

bad inode in directory /user/mark/.term/socket at offset 32

Inode 294 not used, not counted in the free list.
Inode 294, i_nlinks=1, counted=0.
Inode 7086 not used, not counted in the free list.
Inode 7086, i_nlinks=1, counted=0.
#


It doesn't matter if I run efsck off of my /dev/hda2 partition or off
of a bootable rootdisk.  The inodes never get fixed.  The fact that it
is in a directory reminded me of the previous post about version 10.1a
or someting.  Where can I find this, or am I doing something else
wrong?

Thanks,

--

  Mark Alston                   If you define cowardice as running away at the
  professional student          first sign of danger, screaming and tripping
  [e-mail]           and begging for mercy, then yes, Mr. Brave Man,
                                I guess I am a coward.   - Jack Handy



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From: [e-mail] (James Carpenter)
Subject: Bad sectors
Date: 8 Dec 1992 04:27:17 GMT


Please forgive me if this is a stupid question. I am kind of new at managing a
Unix system.

How do I get Linux to stay away from bad blocks? I used the mkfs -c when I
first created the filesystems and .badblocks (or whatever it is) is there. But
it appears that I still have many bad blocks in the filesystem. I am at a
point where I don't do anything major in fear that something will land on one
of these bad blocks. I have already lost a couple of source files for pl6 and
a font file for X. Any aid will be greatly appreciated.

        -Jim Carpenter



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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.announce
From: [e-mail] (Matt Welsh)
Subject: How to post to comp.os.linux.announce
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1992 04:45:49 GMT


HOW TO POST TO COMP.OS.LINUX.ANNOUNCE

This article gives info on how and what to post to comp.os.linux.announce.
Please read the whole thing, to avoid any confusion. :)

To submit an article to this group, please mail the article to:
        [e-mail]

If you have questions or problems with posting to comp.os.linux.announce,
please send mail to the moderators at:
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Or, you may send mail to us directly. The moderators for this group are
Matt Welsh ([e-mail]) and Lars Wirzenius ([e-mail]).

Whereas most versions of the C-News news software will automatically mail
postings to the moderator address, it may take some time for this address
to propagate (and there are many systems out there not supporting this
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to us, you should probably mail it to us by hand. Once we receive your article
and approve it, we will post your article.

NOTE: Your article will not show up in any newsgroups that it may be
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Remember: no announcement is too insignificant for this group. Don't be
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The following guidelines should be used when submitting articles:

  - I will approve a wide range of articles for this group. The only postings
    that are discouraged are discussions and questions about Linux.
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    * Announcements of new software that has been ported to Linux
      (e.g. "DikuMUD v4.2 is not available on sunsite....")

    * Announcements of new versions or patchlevels of existing software,
      such as GCC, the kernel, libraries, new versions of utilities and so on.
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      (e.g. "Summary: What's the best VGA card for Xfree86?")

    * Just about anything else of any importance. If you're not sure if you
      should post the article to c.o.l.a, submit it anyway. It can't hurt,
      and most of the time your article will be approved anyway.

  - When submitting articles, please include valid Newsgroups, Subject,
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  - Also, please use a Keywords line in your header, so that articles may
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        This is especially important if the program isn't part of
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      Version: 0.98.5, jumptables 4.2, etc.

    For example, if you're announcing v4.2 of Shoopsort for Linux, you
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      Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT: Shoopsoft v4.2 now ported to Linux
      Keywords: Shoopsort 4.2, sorting algorithm, new port

    Or, if you're announcing a summary on ethernet cards for Linux, you
    could have:
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      Keywords: summary, ethernet, tcpip, cards, hardware

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Thanks,
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--
Matt Welsh     [e-mail]     Cornell Theory Center
  "We're going away now. I fed the cat."

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From: [e-mail] (Scott Taylor)
Subject: Re: Wangtek Tape 5150ES
Date: 8 Dec 1992 04:49:23 GMT

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Carsten Schiers) writes:
>Hi,
>
>will Linux work with Wangtek 5150ES and Adaptek 1542B without any problems
>(means plug-it-in-and-go)?
>
>CU Carsten.

The answer is yes.  You will need a 0.98 pl6 kernel (or an earlier kernel
with Eric Youngdale's new SCSI drivers) with the tape driver compiled in.
I am using a 5150ES with an UltraStor 14F and it reliably backs up and restores
files (I found out the hard way!).  I have had some trouble putting multiple
backups onto one tape; I am still looking into this.  But besides this, it
should work fine.

Scott Taylor
[e-mail]


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